Comments on: A Smoking Christian?… http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:07:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: <![CDATA[Torri]]> http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-76 Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:32:40 +0000 http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/#comment-76 All drugs are bad, period. Just think how nice the world would be with no smoking, drinking, caffine fixes, etc. Am I saying outlaw everything, of course not; but what I am saying is, if a drug is used for the specific purpose of trying to alter your state of mind and also may impact you or someone elses body or spirit in a negative way then it is most likely a sin. Of course we can't be 100% sure of what God thinks but that's my take on it. By the way, research has again shown that a drink or two a day reduces a man's risk of heart disease. All drugs are bad, period. Just think how nice the world would be with no smoking, drinking, caffine fixes, etc. Am I saying outlaw everything, of course not; but what I am saying is, if a drug is used for the specific purpose of trying to alter your state of mind and also may impact you or someone elses body or spirit in a negative way then it is most likely a sin. Of course we can’t be 100% sure of what God thinks but that’s my take on it. By the way, research has again shown that a drink or two a day reduces a man’s risk of heart disease.

]]> By: <![CDATA[Anthony Martin]]> http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:34:40 +0000 http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/#comment-85 Speaking of apocryphal, I think <a href="http://www.biblebelievers.net/Apostasy/kjcfeed.htm" rel="nofollow">this piece</a> was attributed to Spurgeon, but in fact was written more recently. It's called "Feeding Sheep or Amusing Goats" and it's not mentioned on any of the Spurgeon archives (like spurgeon.org), and I think someone just wanted to get their fundie paper noticed so they could rail against the "entertainment movement" they are so much against. After all, if church-goers don't have a look on their face like they drank milk past the pull date then they might be having fun, and that's a no-no. Speaking of apocryphal, I think this piece was attributed to Spurgeon, but in fact was written more recently. It’s called “Feeding Sheep or Amusing Goats” and it’s not mentioned on any of the Spurgeon archives (like spurgeon.org), and I think someone just wanted to get their fundie paper noticed so they could rail against the “entertainment movement” they are so much against. After all, if church-goers don’t have a look on their face like they drank milk past the pull date then they might be having fun, and that’s a no-no.

]]> By: <![CDATA[ArrowJ]]> http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:17:52 +0000 http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/#comment-84 I would add that whatever reason you have for smoking a cigar, getting high is not one of them. The entire point of smoking cannabis is to experience the mind altering effects of the drug. You might then say, "tobacco also has mind altering effects", and you would be correct. However, the effects do not create problems with normal social and personal functions such as are experienced by those that carry a one-hit bat on their key chain. In addition, cannabis is widely accepted as being a gateway drug by all but the most stubborn (read those whose brains are clogged with bong resin) individuals. For whatever reason our society has decided to delineate between cannabis and alcohol...perhaps because cannabis tastes like rotten flesh? I would add that whatever reason you have for smoking a cigar, getting high is not one of them. The entire point of smoking cannabis is to experience the mind altering effects of the drug. You might then say, “tobacco also has mind altering effects”, and you would be correct. However, the effects do not create problems with normal social and personal functions such as are experienced by those that carry a one-hit bat on their key chain. In addition, cannabis is widely accepted as being a gateway drug by all but the most stubborn (read those whose brains are clogged with bong resin) individuals. For whatever reason our society has decided to delineate between cannabis and alcohol…perhaps because cannabis tastes like rotten flesh?

]]> By: <![CDATA[adam]]> http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:03:58 +0000 http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/#comment-83 when referring to smoking pot, i am saying "if" pot was legal. i agree that in the current state of things disobeying the law would be a sin. i guess if one cant live without soda (caffiene) they can be ruled by it....it hard to envision such a scenario...i still draw a distinction between soda and other substances, the soda not altering my powers of reason. i drink enough soda that i guess its possible for me to perceive altered mental status as my normal functioning state. and im sure some people i have met in my life would back that up. as you guys will appreciate, i still am not intellectually satisfied with the state of things concerning alcohol etc..i expect that i (we) have taken it as far as it can go. unless of course the bibles prohibition on drunkeness has nothing to do with the lack of judgement that results from being drunk, but ive always assumed this was the case. maybe not. i try not to acknowledge previous episodes of the sitter downers in any way, shape or form.... 10-4 when referring to smoking pot, i am saying “if” pot was legal. i agree that in the current state of things disobeying the law would be a sin.

i guess if one cant live without soda (caffiene) they can be ruled by it….it hard to envision such a scenario…i still draw a distinction between soda and other substances, the soda not altering my powers of reason. i drink enough soda that i guess its possible for me to perceive altered mental status as my normal functioning state. and im sure some people i have met in my life would back that up.

as you guys will appreciate, i still am not intellectually satisfied with the state of things concerning alcohol etc..i expect that i (we) have taken it as far as it can go.

unless of course the bibles prohibition on drunkeness has nothing to do with the lack of judgement that results from being drunk, but ive always assumed this was the case. maybe not.

i try not to acknowledge previous episodes of the sitter downers in any way, shape or form….

10-4

]]> By: <![CDATA[ArrowJ]]> http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-82 Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:48:14 +0000 http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/#comment-82 I'm not sure what episode(s) of The Sitter Downers are in question, but this may indeed be the one. Thanks for pointing out the typo as well! I’m not sure what episode(s) of The Sitter Downers are in question, but this may indeed be the one. Thanks for pointing out the typo as well!

]]> By: <![CDATA[ArrowJ]]> http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-81 Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:42:09 +0000 http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/#comment-81 I have edited the offending point in the hopes of curtailing any further misunderstanding. Thanks for the comments Adam and Anthony. I have edited the offending point in the hopes of curtailing any further misunderstanding. Thanks for the comments Adam and Anthony.

]]> By: <![CDATA[Anthony Martin]]> http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-80 Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:24:06 +0000 http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/#comment-80 By the way, was <a href="http://www.thesitterdowners.com/2005/12/02/hope-you-didnt-have-plans/" rel="nofollow">Hope You Didn't Have Plans...</a> the episode of The Sitter Downers where we can "here (sic) the birth pains of this change?" By the way, was Hope You Didn’t Have Plans… the episode of The Sitter Downers where we can “here (sic) the birth pains of this change?”

]]> By: <![CDATA[Anthony Martin]]> http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-79 Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:15:55 +0000 http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/#comment-79 I thought that was a poorly worded point as well. It might have been better rendered as, perhaps: If you believe alcohol and tobacco consumption to be allowed under certain conditions you <i>are free to</i> do it. But figured that was what you meant. As for Adam's perennial request for justifications on other substances, I think it is a poor argument. Pot is illegal in the US, by federal law. We are obligated to follow the law of a just government, as Romans 13:1-7 commands. Notwithstanding, if we assume for the sake of argument that the laws changed and pot becomes legal in the US, I think pot would fall under the same category as tobacco and alcohol. The same scripture would apply to pot as tabacco and alcohol. In all likelihood, f you are not mastered by it, you are not in sin (Aaron's other point of causing others to stumble also apply too). The likelihood of being mastered by pot is pretty high, from what I've observed, so it may not be a smart past-time for people who are prone to addiction. Many pot advocates would rank the addictive properties of pot at the same level or lower than caffeine. How they determine this, I don't know, but it is an interesting notion. Can one be mastered by a can of pop? I thought that was a poorly worded point as well. It might have been better rendered as, perhaps:

If you believe alcohol and tobacco consumption to be allowed under certain conditions you are free to do it.

But figured that was what you meant.

As for Adam’s perennial request for justifications on other substances, I think it is a poor argument. Pot is illegal in the US, by federal law. We are obligated to follow the law of a just government, as Romans 13:1-7 commands.

Notwithstanding, if we assume for the sake of argument that the laws changed and pot becomes legal in the US, I think pot would fall under the same category as tobacco and alcohol.

The same scripture would apply to pot as tabacco and alcohol. In all likelihood, f you are not mastered by it, you are not in sin (Aaron’s other point of causing others to stumble also apply too). The likelihood of being mastered by pot is pretty high, from what I’ve observed, so it may not be a smart past-time for people who are prone to addiction.

Many pot advocates would rank the addictive properties of pot at the same level or lower than caffeine. How they determine this, I don’t know, but it is an interesting notion.

Can one be mastered by a can of pop?

]]> By: <![CDATA[ArrowJ]]> http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-78 Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:56:39 +0000 http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/#comment-78 What I'm saying is that if you believe it is not a sin, then you are at liberty to consume alcohol and tobacco in an appropriate manner because there is no solid theological reason why you should not. I'm not saying you are obligated to do so. What I’m saying is that if you believe it is not a sin, then you are at liberty to consume alcohol and tobacco in an appropriate manner because there is no solid theological reason why you should not. I’m not saying you are obligated to do so.

]]> By: <![CDATA[adam]]> http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-77 Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:41:18 +0000 http://www.highcaliberguns.com/2007/01/29/a-smoking-christian/#comment-77 # If you believe alcohol and tobacco consumption to be allowed under certain conditions you should do it. what? i believe very moderate consumption is allowed. not because it makes any sense to me, but because the bible supports the position. (still dont know why a little wine is OK but a little mary jane is not) leaving that aside and just saying i believe it is allowed, doesnt mean i am compelled to use it. # If you believe alcohol and tobacco consumption to be allowed under certain conditions you should do it.

what?

i believe very moderate consumption is allowed. not because it makes any sense to me, but because the bible supports the position. (still dont know why a little wine is OK but a little mary jane is not)

leaving that aside and just saying i believe it is allowed, doesnt mean i am compelled to use it.

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